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some people are never going to learn, and never going to change. you just need to keep sounding calm and reasonable, and ignore the spittle-flecked rage.

This is interesting, but I wonder if it doesn't introduce some unfortunate confusion, as green paint is typically used to mark bike *lanes* (where cars do not normally belong). Do we want green to mean "bikes have a right to be here" or "cars stay out"?

Long Beach has about 500,000 people, roughly comparable to D.C. or half the population of Montgomery or Fairfax county. Somehow it got $17M in state and federal grants for bike improvements and education. I can't even imagine Montgomery County obtaining that much in grants, unless it's spread over many many years.

I think 'sharrows' create a sort of ambiguity that's just not necessary & possibly counter-productive to bicycle safety. Especially in a city like DC with so many visitors and drivers from other areas it help to have at least some consistency. To me 'sharrows' just seem like a politically easier/cheaper way for gov't to claim "look we have bike infrastructure" without actually creating bike lanes - or god forbid the every unpopular "taking lanes away from cars". Does anyone know if DDOT will be claiming 'sharrowed' roads in DC in their total miles of 'bike lanes' in DC? I think it would be pretty disingenuous for them to do so.

With regard to Long Beach's painted 'sharrowed' lane - isn't this basically just a bike lane that cars are allowed to use? The whole concept just gets so wishy-washy that at some point there need to be national standards as there are for highway construction. All this ambiguity is just going to lead to more collisions.

I think the ambiguity of sharrows is going away as they become more frequently used. They even made it into the MUTDC this year, so standards have been defined. As I recall, and it's fuzzy so I'm not confident this is right, at the last BAC meeting DDOT staff said they weren't counting sharrowed roads in their bike lane mileage unless it was used to connect two bike lanes as is done on 14th St NW, but that they should keep a separate count of those.

I don't think sharrows are just a politically easier way to claim to have bike infrastructure, at least not as used in DC. The few places I've seen them used are where a bike lane wouldn't work (like a one lane road that is too narrow for a bike lane and a full traffic lane) or to connect two pieces of infrastructure, like a bike lane and a bridge.

What is a bike lane that cars are allowed to use? That's just a lane for cars and bikes, also known as a lane. So yes, it is a bike lane that cars are allowed to use, but that is a distinction without a difference.

Guez's point about green paint being confusing is a good one. We haven't used green paint in DC, so I actually don't think it would confuse anyone, but it is something to be cautious of in the future if paint does start being used to define space. Maybe one color for shared areas and one for bike only areas?

Maybe one color for shared areas and one for bike only areas?

Good idea. Perhaps a relatively faint green for the former and a darker green for the latter, coupled with text ("share the road" "bikes only").

These kind of things can be tricky. At some point Greenbelt used diamonds on their bike lanes, but they found that motorists confused them with HOV lanes, so they covered them over.

Chris Woodyard is a real piece of work. I wonder what he would say about the driver (not the car) that sped up right behind me on Independence Ave. one evening and started flashing his lights at me, trying to get me out of the way, even though the entire left lane was empty. He was the only driver on the road for about 200 feet in either lane. That still burns me up. I didn't flip off the driver since he was the one with the 3,000-lb. hunk of steel.

Unfortunately Chris Woodyard seems to have the same attitude as that driver, that cyclists apparently have no right to use any road at any time.

To me, all sharrows are is adding road markings to Class 3 bicycle facilities, which typically before had only been signed with Bicycle Route signs and "Share the Road" signs.

I like the idea of different colors of paint being used for Class 2 bicycle facilities (lanes, bike boxes, etc.) and a different color for Class 3, if you are going to use paint for class 3.

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