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I dunno. Those kids look kind of shifty to me.

Also, cats are scary.

cats or Cats?

The latter for sure!

What it boils down to is that don't ride like a jerk regardless of regular bike or e-bike. I'm fine with e-bikes as long as they are used responsibly.

At least everybody can agree that hoverboards don't belong on the trail. Those things shouldn't even be taken out in public. Won't somebody please think of the children?

Thank you, Mr. W. Cycle. This has been an interesting exchange with many unexpected facets and I still don't know where I stand on it.

This doesn't go to the merits, but the "we already have rules" and the "it's not the bike, it's the rider" arguments, valid as they may be, remind me of another national controversy that I gave up on long ago.

When hoverboards are outlawed...

Sorry: ...which I gave up on...

What we need is to ban jerks and assholes from the trail and only permit great people to ride on trails.

I have no idea how to tell the difference, however.

Well said. I'm 69 and figure I might benefit from an ebike in 10 years or so. I was distressed to learn that they are currently illegal on local MUPS.

In 10 years, people won't even be able to tell the difference just by looking, for new bikes at least. You can hardly tell now on the one pictured at the top of the article unless you really bother to look.

And since you won't be able to tell the difference, I'm guessing that most places will make them legal. Because why have rules that can't be enforced (except for torts, I guess).

However, if I could tell the future as well as I think I can, I'd be rich, so we'll see.

Thanks for this posting. All of the bikes you show look like pedal-assist e-bikes. From Basken's post, I was under the impression that model legislation being pushed by the e-bike industry also allowed throttle-only (no pedals) e-bikes on trails. Basken's post, in addition to promoting a ban, seemed to be pushing back against those proposed rules. If you decide to post about this further, I'd appreciate reading your opinion on those rules.

Missing a word or comma in this list?

Throughout the articles he conflates the e-bikes I've shown above with automobiles, by calling their users "motorists" the trail a "respite from motoring" and writing about the "clear dangers" a letter-to-the-editor writer who wrote about not wanting to ride next to cars, "properly associates with motors."

Andewjh, thanks. I was pretty sure I messed that sentence up. I think I've fixed it.


That is correct, but misses a bit of the nuance. The model legislation, which came out of California, defines 3 classes of e-bikes. Class 1 is pedal-assisted, Class 2 is throttle-controlled and Class 3 has a higher speed limit.

At the state level Class 1 and 2 are regulated exactly the same. But the division is put in place so that individual trails and municipalities can regulate them as they see fit. Though Basken claims there is no technical difference between the classes that is not true. Class one and class two were created to apply to trails because of the power of a "throttle" could rooster tail on softer trail material, meaning they might not be appropriate in places (like the C&O Trail) where Class 1 is.

Nonetheless, the bike at the top is an example of what Basken would like banned.


A long time ago (1985) when I toured Holland. Mopeds were allowed on the bike trails there. At first I was freaked out and thought it was the end of the world. But from a mode share it made sense. And that allowance certainly didn't stop bike usage over the ensuing years.

I ride the "bike path\multi -use trail" to get away from motorized vehicles

eBikes are a car alternative
they are motorized vehicles and should be seen as such

they should stick with the cars and keep their motors on the street

it is crowded and dangerous enough with the varying bike skills... put this motorized menace into the mix... and well.. we will see accidents that could have been avoided

Agree with gwadzilla. I've encountered many ebikes on the MVT and they always speed by at 20+ mph, including around the dangerous blind turns. To be able to ride at those speeds naturally (without motor assist) typically occurs after a rider has developed strength and skills over time. Handling, stopping, and safely riding a bike at those speeds requires more proficiency than a casual rider who just presses a button has. This creates a danger to other riders. And the accidents caused by these riders won't be reported. Law enforcement does not respond to accidents on the MVT unless an ambulance is needed, and even then they don't issue citations. If you need a motor, then use the streets.

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