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It records no personal information. Just crash data. This is not a privacy concern. This is a "I don't want to get prosecuted or have my insurance rates to go up after a crash" concern.

This is quite a valid privacy concern.

How would cyclists feel about black boxes recording brake, speed, and angular momentum data?

Ya know, no identifiable information tho.

Viper, I'd be fine with that.

The privacy concerns must be weighed against the duty to others when using a public road. Its why we require license plates, and drivers licences on public roads, but can do whatever you want on e.g. a farm. If you are involved in a collision, there is a argument that you have violated your duty to others. If we have evidence that can point to whether or not you were driving dangerously, then we should use that. EDRs, video, witnesses, cell phone records, anything, and whether you were on foot, two wheels or four.

Privacy concerns "are addressed by current regulations"

hahahahaha!! Good luck with that. Agencies routinely ignore regulations, and there's nothing you can do. Even if you file a FOIA request to see if they are following their own rules, they will not pull the relevant documents or redact the bad info....as the ACLU recently found out:

@ViperInTheVeldt: I'd be completely ok with that data being pulled in any case of death or serious injury. People need to actually be held accountable for their poor decisions.

> How would cyclists feel about black boxes recording brake, speed, and angular momentum data?

Well, based on the success of sites like Strava, Garmin Connect and others -- they seem quite fine with collecting and sharing that sort of data (though not *exactly* the specific bits of data you mentioned.)

Viper, it depends. How many grams does it weigh? Does it come in carbon? :)

If they don't already, insurance companies might also police whether people hand over the data. Drivers who agree to hand over the data should get lower rates. A subsequent refusal to hand over the data after having agreed to do so would give rise to certain inferences, and possibly result in denial of coverage for any incident recorded on the box.

Why don't more people offer their vehicle data in their defense when accused of negligence? If that became routine, withholding it might help to create an impression of guilt.

Recording the address of the woman you're having an affair with and how many times you saw her last month, that's an invasion of privacy. Recording how fast you drove over there is not. It's a matter of public safety.

Brendan, I don't know what people are telling you, but I was out of town that day.

Not only is this wrong, but aren't cyclist helmet cams also an invasion or privacy?

By all means, let's increase the scope of state surveillance. The few remaining human activities that cannot be tracked must be eradicated as soon as possible. Those who will not submit clearly have something to hide and can be scheduled for Two Minutes Hate sessions as needed. I, for one, have total confidence this power would not be abused. Because, regulated!

Who's talking about surveillance? We're talking about providing the data related to a crash.

@Christopher Fotos: you just sound like someone who wants to put other people in danger so you can speed without penalty.

So - a black box in a car is an invasion of privacy but regulating a woman's body is not??

I believe the NHTSA regs on EDRs also state that the data has to be automatically erased regularly, unless there's a crash or something like it. In other words, it's recording that you're going 70 mph, but it's going to erase that if you don't crash.

Not saying this completely eliminates privacy concerns, but it's a safeguard.

About the best argument I've heard for opting out is this.

The system can be easily hacked. So, if I can't opt out I'm being put at risk of having that information stolen.

The thing is, who will want to steal it? It's not GPS info. Or voice recording. And devices to record those can both be secretly added to your car by the same criminal who wants to steal your EDR data. Even if someone could disable the auto-delete feature and record all of your EDR data and keep it, what is that person going to do with that data?

So, it's close, but no cigar.

It's a privacy concern when a driver drives on a private road. But they aren't driving on private roads; they are on public roads, shared with other members of the public.

Just so we're on the same page;it's ok for airplanes to have black boxes,but not for cars? Cuz those planes crash so more often than cars do.

The black box only records the moment of impact,not where you've been or what books you're reading.

Its also funny that people get up in arms about black boxes in cars that record your speed on a public road, but are less troubled by having the government monitor your emails and calls.

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