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User error is a terrible argument when there's been multiple victims in a year. Their flashers are clearly a failure and they need to own up to it.

How do we know the flashers weren't activated? Self-serving statements made by the driver?

I bet if you conducted a test a significant percentage of motorists would fail to notice the lights anyway or, because they are located so far away, have any meaning.

In any event, if the finding stands that the lights were not activated then I'd say the 1% negligence threshold has been crossed and the driver will not have any liability.

Wow, I had not thought of the bike sign. If so, it could be argued that the State law should cover bikers on bikes, not just walking them. The law is arguably confusing, but the SHA has these clear signs. If so, and a person is ON a bike, then it would be unjust to not provide them with protection.

As I mentioned in a previous post, their seems to be new signs on either side of the MHT that say CYCLISTS WALK TO CROSS, pertaining to the Viers Mill crosswalk. Obviously this is in contradiction to the literal interpretation of the cyclist riding their bike in the crosswalk sign pictured in the post above (as viewed by motorists on Viers Mill). Frustrating for everyone to say the least.

Cyclists aren't going to dismount. They're just not, and pretending it's their fault if a driver hits them when they're riding is kind of obscene.

With these CYCLISTS WALK TO CROSS signs now installed, can those who don't dismount be held liable for not obeying the signs if there were a future incident, including simple ticketing by MoCoPo with nothing else better to do? Regardless, with cyclists not dismounting and drivers not stopping something clearly needs to happen to increase safety here.

KevA: if the picture says something else, then there is confusion. After all, CaBi says "wear a helmet" but its not against the law if you don't

Want to repeat my statement that the crossing calls for a proper traffic light. With it being at the bottom of a hill, and drivers feeling unsure whether, if they stop, they'll get rear-ended by the person behind them, any signal that does not have an utterly clear and ordinary interpretation for all traffic is not going to work.

There's a full light crossing only a couple of miles away at Lawrence Avenue and Connecticut Avenue and i'll bet it gets less traffic than the Turkey Branch/Henson crossing.


Are the new CYCLISTS WALK TO CROSS signs regulatory black and white or cautionary yellow signs?

Installing the signs is SHA saying that the problem is cyclist behavior. Which isn't really born out by the facts.

I also wonder how they know the light wasn't activated.

The problem with "cyclists walk to cross" is that once you get off of your bike you're not a cyclist any more, you're a pedestrian pushing a bike. A clearer sign would say "cycling prohibited."

But cycling in crosswalks is not in fact prohibited in Maryland, it is allowed. SHA just hasn't gotten the word, or they don't like it.

I might well be using a paved trail like MHT on my road bike. Do they have any idea how much less safe I am trying to walk in my road shoes than pedaling across?

The new signs are of the cautionary color variety.

With all these "recommendation" signs of how to proceed thru the crosswalk as peds/cyclists/motorists, and the contradictory MD laws, how can anyone be held accountable if something goes wrong here? It seems the MD laws/policies (outlined in previous posts) are the root of the problem. Until those are addressed and revised in a clear, black-and-white manner, this crosswalk will remain a legal grey area and most importantly, be unsafe for everyone.

Another problem is, IIRC, the crossing is where an old established trail crosses a road. i.e a cyclist using an established route, with the crossing line indicating caution for drivers.

So what happens when other bike routes cross roads. Are we expected to dismount?

NOTE: This topic will be discussed on WAMU radio today (Weds, 8/10) at noon. The guests are Nancy Navarro (county council member) and Cedric Ward (SHA).

MDoT personnel were out at this crosswalk Sunday morning handing out informational brochures about crossing and driving safety: https://goo.gl/photos/FRpcqVpMd1cG3nFA8

This is clearly in response to what has happened here recently as the brochures specifically identify the Veirs Mill @ MHT crossing. The first thing I saw on this thing was WE'RE ON THIS ROAD TOGETHER, which prompted me to ask "Are these being handed out to the motorists, too?". Their response was simply "No, we don't do that." How can this be an effective tactic when only one of two sides is being "informed" about safety here?

Maybe I'll recommend informational kiosks be installed on either side of the crosswalk that are full of pamphlets: How To Cross The Street | How To Dismount From Your Bike | How To Not Get Hit By A Car | How To Find A Good Attorney | What's The Best Insurance For Me :/

That's seriously messed up.

Reminds me of that SNL sketch with Joe Montagna as a guest on a radio show talking about NYC tourism. People would call in and say they'd been shot or stabbed or doused with gasoline and set on fire and Joe would ask if they did something to invite such treatment. Like make eye contact. Maybe they made eye contact, they'd say. "Well..there you go."

Thene he'd talk about one of the brochures put out by the NYC tourist bureau: "So You've Been Shot," "So You've Been Stabbed," "So You've Been Doused with Gas and Lit on Fire," and "The I Love NY Guide to Avoiding Eye Contact."

And him hilariously defending NYC's bad reputation - "NY ranks no. 1 in ONLY one type of homicide, which is a person walking up to a stranger on the street and shooting him."

Adding link to recent Kojo Nnamdi show (WAMU) discussing this issue.


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