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I welcome these changes. I feel vulnerable as a pedestrian in both cities.

DC only doubling PBL from 10 to 20 miles is a bunch of crap though. That's not moving nearly fast enough. They should be able to increase them 10 fold every year if they're serious about making safer streets.

I like that it's being restricted, but I wish it were all intersections in urban areas. Some drivers just won't care or differentiate. I have to admit that even I, as someone who considers himself a careful driver, have missed a no-turn-on-red sign before and had the SO tell me about it, much to my chagrin. I think a blanket prohibition eliminates some of those accidental turns and just leaves the people who don't care enough to obey the law.

And, as long as John Townsend and people like him are at AAA, they will never get a penny from me. If you need that type of travel insurance, please use Better World TC or someone else. Don't support an organization that goes out of its way to make the roads unsafe for pedestrians and cyclists.

It's totally out of control in DC right now. Cars don't even slow down much to take a right on red. This is vital to save lives.

Right Turn On Red might be safe if everyone followed the law and came to a full stop before making the turn. But we are a society of motorized scofflaws who break the law and put pedestrians and bicyclists at risk to save a few seconds. It’s time for RTOR to be repealed nationwide. It makes our roads dangerous.

John Townsend of AAA failed to realize that RTOR and eliminating it are engineering solutions.

I "Right Turn on Red" is a misnomer, because it implies a permissive action.

You can RTOR only when:
1) It isn't banned in the first place
2) You come to a complete stop
3) You have a clear and safe turning path.

Also, RTOR isn't mandatory, so people who are honking at the guy waiting to make a turn are missing the point. You can opt to not RTOR and you're okay:

Note VA code, with my bolded emphasis.


Notwithstanding the provisions of § 46.2-833, except where a traffic control device is placed prohibiting turns on steady red, vehicular traffic facing a steady red circular signal, after coming to a full stop, may cautiously enter the intersection and make a right turn.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has witnessed motorists blowing their horns while queued up behind someone yielding to pedestrians at a RTOR. Run those pedestrians down already!

I would support removing RTOR nationally, although that's not usually how we do things.

When I'm cycling, I wish more car drivers *did* turn right on red after stop.

Too many times I am in a bike lane, stopped for a red light with a car to my left. The car remains stopped while there's no traffic on the cross street. The moment the light turns green, the car driver moves forward, turns right, and almost runs me down as I start to cross the street.

I am not persuaded by any of the posts above that turning right on red is dangerous to cyclists.

Also, no one should interview John Townsend with the belief that he is operating in good faith. That's craziness.

Relatedly, there were two separate stories on NPR this week about the holiday getaway that quoted AAA spokesmen. Both stories referred to AAA as an "automobile club." Uh, no. They're an automobile lobbying association, always have been.

RTOR needs to go away in cities. Isn't one of the reasons it became so wide spread was to save fuel waiting at an intersection with no traffic? With today's cars being more fuel efficient and having auto-shut off switches, that reason has largely dried up.

And as others have said, the stopping prior to right on red is too often ignored.

I'd prefer a blanket ban on RTOR rather than just at selected intersections, as part of a broad adoption of traffic-calming measures to make DC and Alexandria more liveable for everyone.

From personal experience, there's no disputing that
ROTR is especially dangerous to pedestrians, as the motorist looks left for traffic during the turn and the walker approaches from the right.

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